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PostPosted: February 26, 2019, 12:14 pm 
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With the 20x28x9 high I'm hoping to have 3 dedicated work areas.
An 8x10 fixed location fab / welding space in the South West quadrant against the fixed back wall
10x20 with a lift as the South bay
10x20 no lift in the North Bay

the remaining 8x10 space in front of the rear garage door will also be part of the fabrication space, but tools will come and go in that area. I envision the English wheel or tube bender coming and going from that space.

More room is always better, but I have to work within the constraints of being in the city and being able to sell the place at some point in the future.

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Keep in mind that if you build a permanent 24" deep by xx' long work bench that it takes away either length or width of your floor space. Of the few garages I've set up shop in that was one of the decisions I had seriously considered - to build a bench across the front of the shop or build it on the side of the shop. No matter, you have a great shop getting built there Too Busy!

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Yesterday I took my lunch break out working on cripples above the header.
After work I put the doubled top plate on above the garage door, so the box is all tied together.
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When Wifey Dearest came out I somehow convinced her to help me set a truss. She was HIGHLY skeptical and couldn't get her head around how we would lift it onto the top plate and then flip it upright.
The lift was easy. Setting it upright was a piece of cake with me up on the scaffold.
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This afternoon I'm going to make a couple of simple movable braces to hold each truss at 24" on center while I nail them in place. A pair of wooden helping hands.

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The building inspectors would probably choke, but if one used a 'proper' truss on that gable end instead of those gable end trusses the garage door header would probably be redundant. Now that would require an engineer's stamp!

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Got out and got after it for a little while after work. Wifey Dearest is carpenters helper, truss lifter, scaffold mover (with me on it), and safety steward.

Put up the second gable end and nailed it to temporary braces that were nailed to the back wall.

Then ran my string lines to keep the walls straight and the trusses even.
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I did this on both long walls

Then we popped up the 2nd truss and used the wooden hands to hold it while I trued it up to the strings and 2 foot marks on the top plates.
Then nailed in place and put temporary braces to triangulate the 2 and hold them both plumb.
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Lather, rinse, repeat. I think we have a system now to set the trusses. The 3rd truss went from driveway to plumbed and nailed down solid in about 15 or 20 minutes. The 2x4 stringer is temporary bracing on the top chord. There will be another down the other side, jst stopped where we were as it started raining again.
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Warren Nethercote wrote:
The building inspectors would probably choke, but if one used a 'proper' truss on that gable end instead of those gable end trusses the garage door header would probably be redundant. Now that would require an engineer's stamp!


Yes it would. The garage "kit" from 84 lumber uses a span truss and the doubled 2x12 header. I talked with the inspector and he said unless it was stamped from a NC PE, he would reject it.
The LVL's were cheaper than a PE.

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Yesterday Wifey Dearest and I made hay while the sun was shining. We hit it hard at lunch and after work.
End result all the trusses are up and temporary bracing in place.
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I had the diagonal braces on the gable ends, then came inside to look at the detail on the truss plan only to learn I did it wrong. Apparently every video on YouTube is wrong or my truss engineer is the sole outlier on how to do bracing.
They show gable diagonal from the bottom of the gable truss up to the block at the peak of the second span truss.
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Seems ass backwards to me. I have it nailed from just below the peak of the gable to the bottom chord tie of the 2nd span.

Bottom chord is fully tied / braced, I have to L brace the gable end trusses and add blocks at the peak of the first 2 gaps on each end.


Next up one foot ladders on each end for gable overhang, then facia boards.

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Two small comments: you can't have too much space, put everything on wheels.


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vroom wrote:
Two small comments: you can't have too much space, put everything on wheels.


Nor too many electrical outlets.

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I agree with both of you. People are like gases, we expand to completely fill the space available; at least with stuff.
In the Summerville, SC house I put outlets everywhere. I think I had 110V outlets every 4 feet down the walls and 3 in the ceiling. I like having plenty of power.
As for wheels, all the heavy stuff is on wheels, English wheel, compressor, MIG, TIG, band saw, and build table. The iron worker and tube bender like more solid mounts, so I'm still working out the placement in my head.

Now to progress. Not much to report Saturday was perfect here... and we had company in town, so there was a mixed bag of working and entertaining. Work was solid progress.
We took the measurements from the gable ends, transferred to OSB and started cutting.
The front was slow; measure, cut, figure out how to raise and hold in place on the gable end, hang, nail, repeat.

On the back I went to the 4 and 8 foot from the corner positions and measured. Somewhat miraculously, the measurements were the same as the front. I know, they're supposed to be the same, but when you turn a pile of sticks into a big box and everything is actually plumb and square it's a bit of a surprise.
Anyway, measured the 4 and 8 foot positions, saw they were the same as the front and headed to the stack of OSB. I cut all 5 pieces before moving away from the stack.
Then moved the scaffold out into the mud and jumped on the ladder ends to sink the wheels and anchor it in place.
My brother in law showed up wanting to lend a hand, so he would hand each piece up to me and hold in place while I started nailing.

4 pm and the ends were sheathed and I was in the shower.
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I still have the 6 mil plastic protecting the LVL.

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOO F-N HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The outlook ladders are up and hurricane straps screwed in place. Building is now reinforced to meet ICC-IBC2018 for Zone 1. Built to 130 mph sustained.

Next up roof decking.


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Roof decking with just Wifey Dearest is one heck of a workout.
Up the ladder, measure 48", drive a nail, pull the chalk line, down the ladder
Other end of the building
Up the ladder, measure 48", pull and snap chalk line...
Can't see chalk line worth a darn.
down the ladder grab masons cord, up the ladder and run string line for the top edge of the sheathing.

Nail 2x4 to ends of trusses so sheathing won't slide off.

Climb ladder with 4x8 OSB overhead... :ack:
Wiggle, cuss, wiggle some more, one end of OSB slide off last truss
Cuss some more. get it back on the truss, wiggle some more
tack one corner, too high, pull tack adjust...

You get the idea
Got 3 full sheets and the 2 cut pieces in place to finish the first run.
Got reinforcements coming tomorrow afternoon so I don't have to do all the lifting by myself
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Yesterday afternoon my Sis and Brother in Law came over to lend a hand.

One thing about these trusses, they squirm and wiggle all over the place. We had to adjust trusses with every piece of sheathing we laid down. At one point the peak of one of the span trusses had moved about 2 inches from where it belonged. I think it's just the wet dry cycling from all the rain we've been getting.
Regardless of the cause, we would lay down a sheet and pull the tape measure from my "0" point on the first span truss and be sure every 4 foot span was spot on. Why 4 feet?, that's where staggered breaks in sheathing would land.

Finally got the sheathing on one side before it got dark and started raining again.
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I'm letting the ends run long and I'll snap a chalk line and cut in place.

Woke up this morning to snow flurries and some sleet. :BH:
Rain showers moving through every little bit today. Tomorrow looks somewhat better and Sunday looks like it could be nice.
Hope to have it dried in Sunday afternoon.

Where's that fingers crossed emoji when you need it?

Oh, and the electrical contractor gave me his quote... $2k for turnkey. 100 amp service, six 8 foot long LED lights on two switches, 2 outlets overhead for garage door openers, outlets counter height every 4 feet long the walls, 50 amp 220V circuit for the welders, dedicated 20 amp service for HVAC. All in all not the worst price I've ever heard, but I know if I were still in SC I'd do it myself for about $800.
decisions, decisions

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FWIW, $2K for all the electrical work you described would be a very good deal out here. I was a little surprised about the 50A circuit for the welders. I'm sure you guys have checked the welder manuals, but I've seen 60A given for some 220V Miller welders as the circuit recommendation. Maybe they're just more conservative in their thinking.

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FWIW, $2K for all the electrical work you described would be a very good deal out here. I was a little surprised about the 50A circuit for the welders. I'm sure you guys have checked the welder manuals, but I've seen 60A given for some 220V Miller welders as the circuit recommendation. Maybe they're just more conservative in their thinking.

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The 50A is in the TIG owners manual. The MIG and plasma cutter only ask for 30A.

I called the electrical contractor to let him know we'd be ready for him to start whenever is convenient and ask about his pay terms.
He said 30% down, 40% and passed rough in inspection, balance at passed final. Pretty reasonable terms.
So, I asked about sending over a quote, contract, or statement of work, whatever the trade calls it and confirm agreed price and that we hadn't missed anything on my wish list.
Quote arrives $3420 :shock:

I call him back. What happened to $2000 from a few days ago?
What?
The quote at the end of last week. You left me a voice mail.
Oh, you must have misunderstood, I said all the material was almost $2000. Those LED lights are PRICEY and copper has gone through the roof.
I've got it quoted as 3 days labor for me and my helper. There's a 50 foot long dig, at least a day for rough in, and most of a day for finish.
If we get done sooner, I can cut that out of the cost.
:BH:

I thought $2k was a great deal. Now I'm looking to see of I want to pony up or cut back my wish list.

On to weekend progress.
Friday it rained, and rained, and rained some more. My nice work area is back to a swamp. It's so wet you can't even walk in the grass without getting muddy.

Saturday, we played in the mud for a few hours getting facia boards on the building. It was cold and misty all day, so we didn't even think about getting on the roof, but I did spend 2 hours attempting to get the mud off the driveway and garage floor from putting up the facia.

Sunday, no rain and a pretty nice day after the fog lifted.
The Boy and his fiancée , Sis and Brother in Law, Mother in Law, other Brother in Law, and a good friend all came over for lunch and to "lend a hand."
Big pot of chili, corn bread, cheese, diced onions, hot sauce, mmmmmm Lunch with family and friend was great.
Lending a hand, let's and Wifey Dearest, The Boy, Sis, and Brother in Law 1 rock. Brother in Law 2 and friend are good for talking and giving advice; actual working, not so much.

Ended Sunday with all the roof sheathing on and tar paper laid.
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Then spent an hour washing more mud out of garage and off driveway before it dried.

Yesterday the weather was great (of course, it was Monday), so I said screw it and took a vacation day.
Drip edge, starter strip and shingles in the forecast; all while trying to avoid mud as much as possible.
I moved the scaffold outside and clamped it to the man door opening to have a place to stage shingles.
Set the ladder in one spot and buried the feet in mud when I stood on the bottom rung. At least it was well secured.

Then nail on drip edge down both long walls and started up the gable end, for some dumb reason, didn't finish the gable ends.
Oh yeah, the ladder was buried in mud and I could do the last bit from on the roof when I started shingling this side....

Hump shingles onto the scaffold, the put 1/2 bundles on the roof.
Stage stacks to be able to shingle.

Ended the day with one side of the garage done and dog azz tired.
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