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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:31 pm 
If it helps any, my electric hoist came from Princess Auto, and cost, IIRC, around $39 CDN. It was the cheapest part of the whole setup, and cost less than the box channel :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:17 pm 
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If it helps any, my electric hoist came from Princess Auto, and cost, IIRC, around $39 CDN. It was the cheapest part of the whole setup, and cost less than the box channel :roll:

Hmmm... I don't see it on the website right now. I'll have to keep an eye out for it. Electric would be nice, but I won't complain if I have to stick with their $13 poly rope hoist. Well, not too loudly. :lol:

Using pricing off McMaster-Carr, looks like I can get everything I need for just about $100, give or take. I may add another $20 in dimensional lumber and screws to put between my I-beams to lag screw the channel in to, just for added lateral stability, but all in all it's looking gooooooood. :yay:

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:43 pm 
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The poly rope hoist would be a pain in the a** if it isn't ratcheting / locking. Say you want to hold the engine in the air for a minute...

440lb - $150cdn
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-garage/repair-equipment/shop-hoist-and-trolleys/8041840-440-lb-electric-cable-hoist

880lb - $200cdn
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-garage/repair-equipment/shop-hoist-and-trolleys/8041857-880-lb-electric-cable-hoist

Looks like our prices are quite a bit higher than $39...


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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:47 pm 
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The poly rope hoist would be a pain in the a** if it isn't ratcheting / locking. Say you want to hold the engine in the air for a minute...

Granted. That would be a sure-fire way of teaching the kids some new words...

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Looks like our prices are quite a bit higher than $39...

If they're only $39 out West maybe I'll get one shipped, and still be ahead of the game! :wink: More likely I'll just start trolling Kijiji, and waiting for the next Princess Auto sale.

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:48 pm 
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-garage ... able-hoist
That's pretty much the same one I got, although I got it on one of their "Price Smasher" sales, so it was REALLY cheap. Mine has a slightly different spec (330 lbs straight lift, 660 lbs with the pulley block), but otherwise it looks the same.

I see that Harbor Freight has the same hoist as the Princess Auto one for $99.99USD http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisear ... &Submit=Go. They also have 880 lbs, 1100 lbs, and 1300 lbs models for $139, $159 and $139, respectively (don't know why the 1300 lb model is cheaper than the 1100 lb model, but...). Unfortunately, shipping can be a bear. I was going to get one of their tubing benders for doing headers, etc., but the shipping on the $119 unit was $200.

In my view, the beauty of the electric hoist is total control, and one-handed ease of use. You can use the other hand to guide the load as you go. If you're lifting an engine, you have one hand free to move stuff, rather than testing the tensile strength of a speedo cable or ground strap, for example (for some reason, these things have a habit of finding something on the motor to grip onto as you lift it out of the bay). The infinite control is really handy for, say, putting an engine onto an engine stand, too, as you can jockey it around easily (you can lift a motor 1mm at a time if you want to).

**SAFETY NOTE**

One thing I should add for anyone considering making a lifting rail system to a trussed ceiling - in mounting my overhead box-track rail, I decided to make a beefy hanger system, as the whole thing hangs from the trusses in my new shop (I was sure someone would have questioned this by now!). I probably went a little overkill on it. In the close-up photo, you can see one of the vertical hangers (3/16" X 3" steel) I made that goes up to one of the trusses. It's not just bolted through the truss, though. It goes up to a horizontal flat bar (3/16" thick, 3" wide, and 48" long), which was slotted for the hanger to fit through, then welded to it, like a capital "T". The truss was doubled up as well, sandwiching the hanger (the one you can see) inside, and giving the top of the "T" lots to sit on. In this way, the load is distributed over 4' of truss. There are four of these hangers ("T"'s) over the length of the rail system. I calculated the load on the trusses - at maximum possible lift load (660 lbs.),including the weight of the rail system itself, the load on the trusses averages less than 1.25 lbs. per square inch. Worst case scenario (all of the weight centered directly under a single hanger) - less than 5 lbs/sq. inch load on the truss. Considering that I can hang my not-inconsiderable 210 lbs from a single point on any one of the trusses without deformation, I figure my hoist isn't going to stress the trusses at all. The extra safety probably cost me about $10 in extra scrap steel.

Just something to think about... :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:53 pm 
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I'm going to hang the whole system off my I-beams and simply never have to worry about it. I'm going to self-impose a limit of 500 lbs (or less, depending on what trolley bits I use), which should be more than enough to get me through a build. Two I-beams, with some dimensional lumber (2x6s or 2x8s) going across for extra support... should be plenty!

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:08 pm 
Just found several of these winches on Ebay - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEAVY-DU ... veQ5fTools - guy has 9 of them at $69.90each...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:17 am 
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Starting on the 16th, this electric hoist will be on sale for $150:

http://www.princessauto.com/shop-garage/repair-equipment/shop-hoist-and-trolleys/8041857-880-lb-electric-cable-hoist

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:07 am 
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I can wait until it's cheaper. I've got loads of time. :wink:

I had another look at the garage last night, and I think the Unistrut is going to work just perfectly. There is even a pre-existing electrical outlet in the ceiling right above where I'll be mounting it all, so OBVIOUSLY that means I'm meant to have an electric hoist, right? I'll have to keep my eye out for some inexpensive shop lights too, which I'll mount off the channel as well.

Now perhaps I should start considering my build table... no, no... too soon. First I have to redesign the weird-ass shelving that the former owner installed. (Which, come to think of it, might provide me with free material for a build table...) Image

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:31 pm 
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Late to the party...sorry. Lots of good ideas here. I'm taking notes for when I build my barn. I especially like the electric hoist on the barn door slides.

I would like to offer another pitch for a conventional shop crane. With a fixed track, you are limited in where you can lift. Moving the car around under it sounds workable, but also sounds like a real PITA. If you had a sliding beam (2-axis) setup, that would be truly awesome. Probably overkill for most of us, and eats up a lot of headroom, as noted above. I would never embrace a hoist from a fixed point...that would be too much hassle for pulling an engine. You need a fair amount of agility in your lift.

With a shop crane, you have all that. Get one with fold-up legs, and it's a tolerable package to store...about the footprint of a refrigerator, and you can probably nest some other stuff in/on/around it. You also have the option of leaving it outside...weather really won't hurt it with the ram retracted. You also don't have to engineer anything...just open the box and bolt it together. And, you can use it outside the shop. This can be a BIG plus. When you no longer need it (hah!) you'll be able to sell it for what you paid for it.

I'm not trying to talk anyone into or out of anything.

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:16 pm 
Hey, Dave - I was originally going to just use my cherry picker crane, but while my old shop (now my fabrication shop :P ) has a 10' ceiling inside, my new (assembly/storage 8) ) shop is exactly 8' high inside (my budget wouldn't permit it being higher), so the cherry picker just wouldn't work. It's very tall with the boom out, and lifting a motor 2'-3' off the ground puts the top of the boom almost 9' high.

On the lighter side, I used both cranes today! I wanted to move my Locost's Zetec motor from my old shop into my new shop. The two are about 60' apart, with a gravel (mostly dirt, and soft at that) driveway, so it wasn't going to be possible to move the motor on the engine stand, as the casters would dig in instantly. So, I moved the cherry picker outside onto the dirt, worked the tip of the boom around into the shop, pushed the engine stand up to the boom, and lifted the motor off the stand. By using a LONG prybar, I was able to swivel the cherry picker/motor combination around to face the right way, then backed my pickup truck under the motor, sat it down, tied it in place, and backed it all the way into the new shop.

The new rail/electric hoist system worked perfectly. I lifted the motor off the bed of the truck, rolled it to the back of the shop, lowered it onto a wheel dolly, and put wedges under it to steady it (the Zetec motor's pan is on a steep angle, so the motor won't sit level without wedges). Now I can roll it around the shop with the push of a finger! The overhead rail/crane lifted the motor like it wasn't even there, and there was absolutely no signs of stress on any of it. I'm stoked!! :D


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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:28 pm 
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A Davit crane is pretty useful for this situation as well. Holes can be cored and sleeved into the floor at various locations. The crane is placed into the hole and put away when not in use. The one shown below shows a base but a sleved hole can be used just as easily.

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 Post subject: Re: source of Locost I-beam clamps?
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:05 pm 
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For the Canucks out there, Princess Auto has their 440 lb electric hoist on sale, $99.99 vs. regular $149.99:
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-garage/repair-equipment/shop-hoist-and-trolleys/8041840-440-lb-electric-cable-hoist?keyword=hoist

I also noticed they have steel trailer fenders on sale too! :wink:

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