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 Post subject: Re: Lotus 11 Breadvan
PostPosted: March 19, 2015, 9:51 am 
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It looks a bit tall in the photos but was really just the right height for me.
By nature of their ultra-low rise waist design, with a hood so low that the windshield becomes a windscreen, I think that's a problem that these types of cars will naturally have. That's a large part of the breadvan's awkwardness.

The Kokopelli has always looked a little 'off' to me. I believe that is from the Kokopelli body having been raised few inches, much like Jack did on the Lalo. While the Kokopelli looks to have lost more of it's low slung appearance than the Lalo, the accompanying mid-rise waist is again likely to help balance the proportions with a windshield...Especially with the breadvan top.

In principle, I like the breadvan idea. From some angles I like the original, from others not so much. However, I would think that some modifications (don't ask me what) could be made to the design to improve the aesthetics of it, while still keeping it sufficiently 'similar to' the pictured car for registration and titling purposes.

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PostPosted: March 19, 2015, 11:05 am 
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Graham Capel also built another coupe with the tail end looking more like the 250 GTO series 2 or the 250 LM:

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I would think that with the front arches opened up a bit more it could be made to look quite pretty.


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PostPosted: March 22, 2015, 1:59 am 
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ptrxly wrote:
An option for a curved laminated windscreen is to use one from an old VW Super Beetle. Back in the late 80's that is what I used for my Westfield Lotus 11.
That looks pretty good to me--and might look even better on a slightly wider body.
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Lotus actually made a couple of Elevens for the street with a full height flat screen in their Sport model.
Yeah, I've seen photos, they look pretty...locost.
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Graham Capel also built another coupe with the tail end looking more like the 250 GTO series 2 or the 250 LM.
This is a pretty one...or probably is a pretty one; that's the only photo I've seen of it and I'd sure like to see it with the trunk closed. If you have other photos of that car, please post them.

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These are the only other photo's that I've stumbled across. Graham is still with us, so if you're seeking more info you might still be able to contact him.

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Hey Jack, what's the status of this project?

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Damn! That front slip angle is way too large and the Ackerman is just a muddle.

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Hey Jack, what's the status of this project?
Currently I've too many projects and too little room. I need to take a project or two off my bucket list and put them on my rhymes-with-bucket list. Sigh. It's probably time for me to dispose of my Lalo, so I have the room (and capital) to build something new.

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Well, thanks for the update, anyway, Jack. I'm sympathetic to your plight. I still have my Locost build to finish, but I already have two new projects in mind. Fortunately, they will take only a fraction of the commitment that the Locost requires.

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JackMcCornack wrote:
Currently I've too many projects and too little room. I need to take a project or two off my bucket list and put them on my rhymes-with-bucket list. Sigh. It's probably time for me to dispose of my Lalo, so I have the room (and capital) to build something new.
Glad to hear that you're keeping busy. Reading between the lines, would this mean that you're generally speaking not expecting to do any further development on the Lalo bodywork?

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I wouldn't say that. I'm a bit of a compulsive developer. In fact, my local fiberglass fab shop just this month finished the mold for the new improved Lalo scuttle--the first one is going out today to a builder, and I'm going to get the second one. That's why I'm not putting my car up for sale right now--I want to give it a new scuttle. My original prototype scuttle is just too...prototypee...to pass on to a new owner. But if I decide I want a breadvan body, making a new car is more appealing than modifying a perfectly good roadster.

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Does this mean we'll soon be seeing the Lalo bodies in the Kinetic 'catalog'?

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JackMcCornack wrote:
But if I decide I want a breadvan body, making a new car is more appealing than modifying a perfectly good roadster.
Ok, that makes more sense. Well then I'm glad to hear that progress is continuing on the roadster bodywork as well. :cheers:

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I wonder where they got the idea for the c3 corvette?

I do like the bug windshield, thanks for posting. Need to build a car around it....


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like the little white car #1. The little flip up tail spoiler looks good. I wonder how it would look using an early RX7 rear window. Like a late model C3 corvette. There are some interesting differences in the front of the "bread van" car. I like the front (windshield forwards). The idea of the whole roof & rear tilting to get in & out seems rather novel.


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