LocostUSA.com

Man car based stuff is too heavy ,just weighed the '02 R1 I picked up for my build and its just under 150lbs complete with oil,starter,transmission and a good part of the harness etc.

Heavier, yes, but than again bike engine are a bit like hanging around a 10-yr old with ADD who's strung out on Monster drinks. As long as you don't mind frantic, you'll be happy. A bike engine's great for the track... not so sure about the street.

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Midlana book: Build this mid-engine Locost!, http://midlana.com/stuff/book/
Kimini book: Designing mid-engine cars using FWD drivetrains
Both available from https://www.lulu.com/

I`m ok with frantic,prefer it actually.Not many car engines(and none that are locost friendly) produce the kind of quick revving,high rpm sounds the bike engine does.

Mine will never see the street,thats what my open class sportbike is for.

I'm just saying, having a sportbike engine in a street car is kind of like dating a supermodel. We all say we want to, but when it really comes right down to it, the "overhead" is a bit much for many people, and I include myself.

OTOH, for track use it's awesome... the engine I mean.

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Midlana book: Build this mid-engine Locost!, http://midlana.com/stuff/book/
Kimini book: Designing mid-engine cars using FWD drivetrains
Both available from https://www.lulu.com/

I realize that this topic is called "Summary of engine weights" but here is my Ford Type E 4-speed transmission (sometimes called a Rocket, or a Ford Of Germany FOG, and is the four speed version of the Type 9 found the Merkur XR4Ti) .

Notice the small shifter still attached and its probably low on oil by about a pint and it weighs about 58 pounds.

Oh, and I didnt subtract the weight of the brown paper bag, and Dolly's eyes dont normally glow like that!

Cool to know...do you know the gear ratios?

Your dog was scarring me!

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I'll keep an eye out for you!

To err is human...
I am more human than most.

The ratios are possibly:
1st:3.65
2nd:1.97
3rd:1.37
4th:1.0
Reverse:3.66
from: http://www.ford-capri.ch/technics/technical-data-I/2000-71-74-usa-e.html

For Type E (Rocket) and Type 9 (Sierra) parts ala an USA Quaife distributor: http://www.taylor-race.com/subcat2.cfm?category=Transmissions&subcategory1=Quaife

Nice job on the engine weights. That is going to be a nice reference.

According to that list. My Jag motor is a big fat pig at 576 lbs ....but it looks and sounds cool.

Alfa Romeo 2L with dual Webers and Trans. 375lbs wet

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TSuppa
"Alimony is like buying Hay for a dead horse"
'86 Alfa Spider Quad
'79 Alfa Spider Veloce
http://tomsuppa.blogspot.com/

2.0 L supercharged chevy ecotec with pontiac solstice 5 speed trans 470# (includes evrything ready to run except exhaust manifold and a/c compresser.) yes all wiring and pcm included, as well as shifter.

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-JOSH
442ish round tube chasis, 2.0 lsj ecotec, solstice transmission, winters q/c rear

I just weighed the complete engine (4age) and trans from a 1989 Toyota MR2 with oil for a total of 395 lbs. That included the alt and starter. The stock cast iron ex manifold was on the engine but separately weighed 17 lbs. The trans by itself weighed 91 lbs.

John Rounds

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When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting -- Steve McQueen from LeMans

My build log viewtopic.php?f=36&t=10658&start=0 NOW NAMED =The Wycked 7

My other build log viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15162 The Skayt'R6

Just found a great resource and thought I would post it.

Engine Weight and Size
FYI version 00.02.04
by Dave Williams, dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us

It isn't really a Frequently Asked Question, so I'll call it an
"FYI", For Your Information. This was originally a list I'd compiled
long ago on paper, then moved to the computer, then posted on the net
as a response to some questions. It wound up being popular, but since
I didn't keep track of the origin of the data there was some debate as
to how accurate the list was. This new improved list has origins
where I could find references; what doesn't have an origin is stuff
from my original list.

You'll sometimes see more than one weight listed. Some weights are
for just a long block, some are complete and ready to run, and of
course everything in between. Some engines varied in weight during
their production runs - for example, some later Chevy V8s use thinwall
blocks and aluminum heads.

As of version 94.06.01 engine dimensions have been added. Since the
shape can vary quite a bit within the maximum limits this data isn't
very useful, but many people have requested it.

As of version 00.02.04 transmission weights have been added.

If you have any figures you'd like to contribute, please send them to
me at one of the following addresses:

dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us
PO Box 181, Jacksonville AR 72078-0181

All contributions will be fully credited.

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Engine Weight (in pounds) reference and comments
ABC Dragonfly aero 650 (87) 1917 9-cyl radial

Alfasud flat-4 240 (2) (19) "complete"
Alfa Romeo SOHC V6 375 (2)
Alfa Romeo 415/85T 279 (31) F1 four, '87 season
Alfa 155 V6 TI 242 (75) BTCC Class 1 race engine
Alfa Romeo Type 33 V8 286 (137) 2000cc DOHC, Chiti design, 1967
Alfa Romeo 1600 261 (150) (with cams, generator, distributer, oil,
etc but no manifolds or carbs)

Allison V12 1160 (160) 1710 CID, 1400 HP aircraft

AMC V8 540 (late design V8s)
AMC V8 600 (early design V8s)
AMC 6 500 (early design six - 199)

AMW F-440 86 (78) SAE F440 spec motor, 2 cyl

ATS 1.5L GP V8 247 (137) DOHC, Chiti design, 1966

Audi 2.0 L4 335 (2)
Audi 5 364 (2) (non-turbo)
Audi 80 1300 230 (2)
Audi 100 1500 240 (2)

Austin C-series L6 562 (2) ('56 Austin-Healey 100-6)

BL "B" L4 OHV 335 (2) British Leyland
BL "E" L6 345 (2) ("complete")
BL "O" L4 OHC 298 (2)
948cc 246 (156) (no indication of dressed or not)
1098cc 253 (156) Midget/Sprite

BMW M52 3.3,3.5 Big Six 500 (2)
BMW M60 B 40 4.0 V8 468 (17)
BMW M60 Small Six 388 (2)
BMW slant-6 turbodiesel 430
BMW 4.5L V12 607 (2) (50) "Fully dressed" prototype
BMW 4.5L V12 974 (57) iron prototype
BMW 5.0 V12 529 (22) (57) "fully dressed"
BMW 3.0,4.0 V8 462 (70) all aluminum
BMW 3.0,4.0 V8 448-468 (79) all aluminum
BMW M105 Diesel 6 2.5L 430 (4)
BMW 2.3 turbo Diesel 408 (21) iron block, alum head, "complete"
BMW S14 four 350 (23) 318i motor

Bollee vertical twin 330 (86) 6 bhp, 600 RPM, evaporative cooled

BRM V12 375 (87) 1965? F1 motor

Benz B2-3BZ, 1917, V8 683 (98) built-up steel, 940 ci, aircraft

Briggs & Stratton 101 (165) 20HP w/electric start, flywheel, exhaust

BRM "290" V12 319 (74) 1992 3.5L Le Mans engine

Buick 1953 322 V8 635 (51) OHV V8
Buick 350 450
Buick 401 685 (1) ('59 Nail Head)
Buick 430-455 V8 600 (one ref showed 640) (10 - 600)
Buick 1963 odd-fire V6 414 (2)
Buick V6 375
Buick 3.0 V6 '85-up 350
Buick/Rover 215 V8 318 (and Olds)
Buick 1961 215 V8 324 (2)

Cadillac V8 390 720 (1) ('59)
Cadillac V8 472-500 625
Cadillac V8 500 595 (10)
Cadillac V-16 1,300 (2) (1931) 45 deg.
Cadillac 331 V8 699 (2) (1949)
Cadillac Northstar V8 484 (71)
Cadillac Northstar V8 403 (79) (bare, no accessories)
Cadillac Northstar V8 464 (80) (dressed)
Cadillac Northstar V8 404 (155) (without accessories)

Callaway Indy HH-V8 277 (54) 2.6L Drake design
Callaway "Wee 8" 200 (91) light weight design study

Caterpillar L6 2867 (157) 3406E 600 Diesel 966CID

Chevy Corvair flat 6 300
Chevy Sprint 993cc L4 147 (55) 24L x 20W x 25H (Suzuki mfr)
Chevy 1.8-2.0 L4 302 (4) (39) "J car" pushrod
Chevy Chevette 1.6 SOHC 300 (4) (39) (also Opel)
Chevy Vega L4 285
Chevy II 153 L4 350
Chevy L6 194-250 440
Chevy L6 292 ---
Chevy L6 216/235 630 (2)
Chevy L6 216/235 615 (88) "265 V8 was 40# lighter than 235"
Chevy V6-90 229, 4.3 425
Chevy V6-60 2.8, 3.1 350 (2)
Chevy small block V8 575 (generic for '60s-'70s motors)
Chevy small block V8 535 (1) ('59 Corvette 283 w/alum. intake)
Chevy LT-5 DOHC 5.7 600 (122)
Chevy L98 5.7 V8 600 (122)
Chevy V8 348/409 620 (1)
Chevy V8 348/408 655 (83)
Chevy big block V8 685 Mark IV
Chevy big block V8 --- Mark V
Chevy 454 675 (10)
Chevy 427 ZL-1 550 (35) all-aluminum, "20# lighter than SB"

Chrysler 2.2 L4 216 (6) (bare motor)
Chrysler 413 wedge 640 (1) ('59 300-E)
Chrysler 331 Hemi 745 (5) 1955
Chrysler M4 tank engine 5,244 (87) 30 cyl, 5 banks of 6, flathead, WWII
Chrysler 1955 V8 691 (99) Spitfire, 'polyspheric', 300 ci 188 hp
Chrysler 1955 Hemi 729 (99) Firepower 331.1 ci, 250hp, 1x4v
Chrysler 1955 300 Hemi 735 (99) C-300, 331.1 ci, 300hp, 2x4v
Chrysler Patriot 186 (110) gas turbine (part of hybrid EV)
Chrysler CR2A turbine 410 (111) 1964 Turbine Car, 130hp SAE net

Citroen 2.0 Douvrin 4 263

Continental TSIO-550B 566 (113) turbocharged, aircraft
Continental Voyager 571 (113) turbocharged, aircraft

Cosworth AC V8 ('93) 286 (23,64) 75 degree bank angle
Cosworth HB 75 deg V8 309 (52,63) 23.4L x 23.3W x 20.5H
Cosworth HB Series 6 286 (70) 75 deg V8 595mmL
Cosworth DFV V8 313 (23) 90 degree bank angle
Cosworth DFR V8 308 (63) 90 degree bank angle
Cosworth DFX V8 340 (29)
Cosworth XB V8 260 (29, 89)
Cosworth V8 375 (87) 1965? F1
Cosworth MBA 2.5L V6 242 (61,68) 90 deg V
Cosworth ED 75 deg V8 292 (103) F1, 3 liter 1994
Cosworth 72 deg V10 440 (134) 4.3L 325hp prototype (street)
Cosworth V8 370 (136) 1967, with clutch and injection
Cosworth CR-1 V10 220 (144) 1999 F1

Coventry Climax FWMV V8 270 (121) 1963, w/starter & dynamo (2 valve)
Coventry Climax FWMV V8 298 (121) 1965, w/starter & dynamo (4 valve)

Crosley Cobra ('46-'48) 59 (25,26) less starter and generator

Curtiss-Wright
RC2-60-N8 rotary 900 (96)
RC2-60-U10 rotary 325 (96) "heavy fuel" plus 50.2 for flywheel
RC1-60 rotary 192 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC2-60 rotary 266 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC4-60 rotary 417 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC2-90 rotary 317 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC2-90 rotary 345 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories
RC3-90 rotary 410 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC3-90 rotary 480 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories
RC4-90 rotary 510 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC4-90 rotary 613 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories
RC5-90 rotary 605 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC5-90 rotary 740 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories
RC6-90 rotary 710 (96) air cooled, w/all accessories
RC6-90 rotary 860 (96) water cooled, w/all accessories
RC2-60 U5 rotary 280 (96)
Curtiss V12, 1920 1086 (98) 1650 ci, steel with Al crankcase

DeSoto 383 630 (1) ('59)
DeSoto V8 675 (5) (276-341 CID, '50s)

Detroit Diesel 6 2448 (37) (old design)
Detroit Diesel 6 1848 (37) (new Penske/Mercedes design)

Dodge V8 645 (5) (241-325 CID, '50s)
Dodge 361 625 (1) ('59)
Dodge Viper V10 716 (24) (30) with accessories
Dodge Viper V10 ('97) 648 (133) 40# lighter block, 14# lighter heads
Dodge truck V10 816 (30) ("about 100 pounds heaver")
Dodge truck V10 836 (34) ("about 120 pounds heaver")
Dodge truck V10 816 (128) "dressed weight"

Drake DT-160 Indy V8 420 (138) 1978 model Meyer-Drake racing engine

Edsel 361 680 (1) ('59)

Fairbanks-Morse 40,840 (126) 2894 CID, 12 cyl, 12,408hp locomotive

Falconer V12 523 (112) aluminum, small block Chevy based

Ferrari 312T 397 (2) (V12 3.0L racing engine)
Ferrari "250" V12 382 (2)
Ferrari V12 ~300 (23) 65 degree bank angle, 1992 F1
Ferrari 456 V12 517 (32,65) 65 degree, 5.5L, 1992
Ferrari "036_ F1 V12 310 (66) 65 deg, 3.5L
Ferrari "291" F1 V12 275 (66) also E1A-92, 65 deg
Ferrari E1A/92 F1 V12 308 (70) 65 deg
Ferrari F50 4.7L V12 432 (90)

FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 285 (2) (model 206)
FIAT/Ferrari Dino V6 296 (2) (model 246)

Footwork/Porsche FA12 396 (76) F1 V12

Ford Zetec-SE 1.3 DOHC 202 (107) 1996 Fiesta
Ford 1600 CVH 282 (49) (US Escort)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 418 (2) (also 2.0, 2.5)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 307 (18)
Ford 2.3 Lima/Pinto L4 450 (2) (turbo)
Ford 2.3 L4 Turbo 380 (162) Turbo T-Bird engine w/turbo, flywheel
Ford 2.3 Polimotor 152 (12) plastic motor, experimental
Ford 2.3 Polimotor 168 (55) plastic motor, experimental
Ford Germany Taunus V4 205 (2) (and SAAB V4)
Ford England Essex V4 327

Ford Germany 2.0-2.8 V6 305
Ford England Essex V6 379 (2) (3 liter)
Ford 3.8 V6-90 351 (4) (w/start, alt, less clutch)
Ford 3.8 V6-90 311 (18) ("fully dressed")
Ford 3.8 V6-90 298 (126) "complete"
Ford Duratec 2.5/3.0 V6 360 (45) ("fully dressed")
Ford CDW27 60 deg V6 365 (47) "as delivered to assembly plant"
Ford/Mazda Mondeo V6 225 (64) 60 deg, all aluminum, 4v
Ford Taurus SHO 3.0/3.2 465 (153) Taurus SHO V6
Ford 170-250 L6 385 (except Australian w/aluminum head)

Ford 4.2 V6 488 (161) flexplate and front dress, no A/C
compressor. Shipping wt w/skid

Ford flathead V8 525 (124) 1932 model, integral b'hsg, iron heads
Ford flathead V8 569 (1) ('53 239 CID)
Ford Cosworth DFV 353 (2) (racing engine, DOHC, 3.0L)
Ford 255 Windsor 468 (4)
Ford 289/302 V8 460 (168) (late 5.0s are a bit lighter)
Ford 221-302W 460 (48)
Ford Indy 255 pushrod 360 (120) all aluminum, 1963
Ford Indy 255 DOHC 400 (120) 1964, later known as Foyt Coyote V8
Ford 5.0 V8 450 (109)
Ford 5.0 V8 411 (171) 89 Mustang 5.0 GT (dry) inc: manifold,
carb(?), headers and alternator. Not
inc: starter, smog pump, power steering
pump, AC compressor, flywheel
Ford BOSS 302 500 (48)
Ford 351 Cleveland 550 (48) (includes BOSS and Australian 302-C)
Ford 351 Windsor 510
Ford 351 Windsor 525 (48) (168)
Ford 351M-400 575 (48)
Ford Y block V8 625 (272-312 CID)
Ford FE big block 650 (332-428 CID)
Ford FE big block 670 (1) ('59 352 CID)
Ford FE 625 (48)
Ford 427 SOHC 680 (48)
Ford 429/460 V8 640
Ford 429-460 720 (48)
Ford 460 V8 720 (10)
Ford BOSS 429 680 (iron block, aluminum heads)
Ford BOSS 429 635 (48)
Ford 4.6 SOHC 530 (93) iron block, aluminum heads
Ford 4.6 SOHC 473 (72)
Ford 4.6 SOHC 600 (168) (Mustang)
Ford 4.6 DOHC 464 (72) "9 pounds lighter than SOHC"
Ford 4.6 DOHC 437 (77) without accessories
Ford 4.6 DOHC 521 (94) aluminum block and heads
Ford 4.6 DOHC 576 (168) (Mustang)

Ford Triton V10 635 (128) "dressed"

Ford/Seimens 75hp 192 (108) 3-phase electric, with gear drive

GM CD5-2 2-stroke 165 (42,68) Orbital patent, prototype
GM Rotary Engine 255 (13) cast iron, 1972 PR weight figure
GM Rotary Engine RC206 345 (14) aluminum, 1974 PR weight figure
GMC 261 L6 (216-235) 544 (43) "25 lbs lighter than flathead Ford"
GM Ultralite engine 173 (67)

Garrett/Allied Signal 125 (108) hybrid EV gas turbine w/generator

General Electric T-58 ~200 (115) 1100hp, helicopter turbine

Gravely tractor 1cyl 65 (164) 1916-1976, minus manifolds and carb

Gurney-Weslake V12 370 (33) Eagle AAR, 60 degree

HKS F1 3.5 V12 363 (23) Formula 1, 5 valve per cyl.

HS Performance 2.0 V8 160 (63) (2xYamaha FZR1000) 488L x 552W x 478H

Hall-Scott 6 cyl 825ci 565 (97) Merc type A/C engine, >WWI Fageol racer

Hart V10 F1, 72 deg V 300 (63) model 1035, 622L x 560W x 535H
Hart 10.35 300 (64) 622L x 560W
Hart 420R 2.0L 245 (106) 1994, also Barker-Hart

Hispano-Suiza V8 330 (86) 1915 aircraft engine, water cooled
Hispano-Suiza V8 32CV 540 (86) 1919 6.6 liter car engine
Hispano H, 1918 632 (98) aircraft, 1127 ci, steel w/Al crankcase

Honda RA122E 75 deg V12 330 (23) Formula 1
Honda RA1/22E/B 352 (70) (est. weight) also RA121E
Honda RA168E F1 V6 329 (119) 80 deg, 1500cc
Honda 3.5L 72 deg V10 331 (40, 52) 24.4L x 21.7W x 21.3H Formula 1
Honda 75deg V12 340 (41) 1993 Formula 1
Honda 24V V6 491 (55) Acura Legend motor
Honda CBR 600 F2 125 (102) motorcycle
Honda B18B four 326 (131) 1995 Civic
Honda B20B four 318 (131) 1997 Civic
Honda Civic 1200 161 (151) 1974 Civic, excluding clutch and
radiator but including weight of coolant
water and lubricant
Honda Civic 1500 205 (151) 1974 Civic, as above
Honda CVCC 1500 227 (151) 1974 Civic, as above
Honda CBR 600 F2 130 (167) motorcycle (estimated)
Honda CBR 600 F2 140 (173)

Honda CR500 66 (169) 2 stroke single, 491cc, 65HP
Hooper 994cc V4 92 (73) two stroke, stepped piston, prototype
Hooper 290cc twin 54 (73) two stroke, stepped piston, prototype

Husaberg 600 63 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 595cc, 65HP

Husqvarna 575 72 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 577cc, 62HP
Husqvarna 630 72 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 633cc, 70HP

Ilmor 80deg V8 325 (29)
Ilmor 2175A 72deg V10 281 (59) 592.5mmL, 519mmW, 555mmH
Ilmor 2175A 72 deg V10 268 (70)
Ilmor V-8-A Indy 325 (69) 1992 Galmer Indy car, 90 deg V
Ilmor 265A 80 deg V8 325 (84)
Ilmor 265D 82 deg V8 272 (84)

Infiniti 4.5 V8 551 (71)
Infiniti Q45 V8 509 (72) "45 pounds heavier than Ford DOHC"
Infiniti Q45 V8 529 (77) "65 pounds heavier than Ford DOHC"

Isuzu 1.8 Diesel L4 384 (4)
Isuzu 1.8 gas L4 311 (4)

Jabiru 80hp aero 123 (114) flat-4, air cooled

Jaguar V12 680 (57)
Jaguar/Orbital 3.2 V6 359 (61) supercharged two stroke
Jaguar 4.2L six 604 (105)
Jaguar XJ220 V6 427 (73) complete w/turbos, wiring
Jaguar AJ6 4.0L 531 (118)
Jaguar AJV8 4.4L 441 (118) "fully dressed"
Jaguar 3.4-liter XK 576 (148) for the 340 sedan, minus fan, air
cleaner, clutch, and transmission, and
without any fluids, but with flywheel,
electrical equipment, and exhaust
manifolds.
Jaguar 3.8 six 592 (148) dress as above
Jaguar 4.2 six 605 (148) dress as above
Jaguar 5.3 V12 612 (148) dress as above
Jaguar 5.3 V12 680 (148) fully dressed for installation

Judd V10 286 (22) 72 deg V, F1, 630mm long
Judd KV V8 242 (64) 90 deg F3000 1992
Judd GV 72 deg V10 273 (70) 630mmL

KTM330 59 (169) 2 stroke, 368cc single, 64HP
KTM520 63 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 510cc, 56HP

Kawasaki H1R, H2R 120 (9) 3 cyl, two stroke MC

Kubota D905-B Diesel 250 (125) 3 cyl, water cooled, with starter

LPE 400 Series Turbo 370 (113) aircraft, 400 CI, SBC based, alloy
LPE 600 Series Turbo 560 (113) aircraft, 670 CI, BBC based, alloy

Lamborghini/Chrysler 299 (8) (1992) V12 Formula 1 motor
Lamborghini 80 deg V12 330 (70) 1991-1992 V12 F1

Langley Aerodrome 200 (126) 5 cyl radial, 1903, 52hp

Lexicon TRJ-300 110 (114) centrifugal turbojet, aircraft

Lexus 4.0 V8 470 (71)
Lexus 4.0 V8 464 (77)

Liberty V12, 1917 856 (98) 1400+ ci, all steel, aircraft engine

Lincoln 430 740 (1) ('59) (also Mercury 430)

Lotus 907 (Esprit) 275 (3) inc. alt. & starter, no clutch
Lotus Project 618 V8 465 (117) Esprit V8 prototype, w/AC, PS, alt.

Lycoming 36 cyl radial 6050 (87) WWII, 127 liters, 4x9, water cooled
Lycoming IO-540 515 (113) aircraft

Mallory rotary 188 (87) 400hp, eccentric-vane

Marmon V-16 931 (2) (1931)

Mazda 12A and 13B 260 (109)
Mazda 10A rotary 224 (20) (Cosmo) (bare)
Mazda 10A rotary 268 (20) (R100) (bare)
Mazda 10A rotary 190 (27) (R100) (without thermal reactor)
Mazda 10A rotary 280 (27) (R100) (with thermal reactor)
Mazda 12A rotary 348 (20) (RX7) (with oil and water)
Mazda 12A rotary 356 (20) (Japanese model turbo, EFI)
Mazda 12A rotary 275 (85) (w/flywheel, t.reactor, no alt.)
Mazda 13A rotary 301 (20) (R130 Lucia - Japan only) (bare)
Mazda 13B race 242 (95) 2-rotor race motor, with accessories
Mazda 13G 3-rotor race 319 (95) 3-rotor race motor, with accessories
Mazda 13J 4-rotor race 396 (95) 4-rotor race motor, with accessories

Mercedes SOHC V8 alum. 452 (2)
Mercedes SOHC V8 iron 540 (2)
Mercedes 5.6L V8 467 (57) 1987
Mercedes OM 615 Diesel 447 (16)
Mercedes M291 flat-12 374 (66) with starter, alt, exh, no clutch
Mercedes 2.8/4.2 V6 331 (127) 1997, SOHC 3V, "shipped for assembly"
Mercedes inline six 441 (127) 1995 and back
Mercedes 500I V8 305 (46) 1994 pushrod Turbo Indy motor (Penske)
Mercedes/Ilmor Indy V8 273 (57, 60) 72 deg V Turbo Indy motor
Mercedes/Ilmor DOHC V8 280 (89) 1995 IC 108 model, no clutch
Mercedes/Ilmor IC108C 280 (130) 1996 DOHC V8
Mercedes 3.2L V6 330 (141) 1997 SOHC, 90 deg, 3 valve
Mercedes 5.8L V12 490 (143) 1997, 3 valve

Mercury Marine 2000 331 (14) 200hp, 2 stroke, 142 CID, w/foot
Mercury Marine 1750 350 (14) 275hp, 2 stroke, 122 CID, w/foot

Miller 91 (1926) 330 (44) predecessor to Offy four

Mopar Slant Six 475
Mopar 273-340 "A" V8 525
Mopar 360 "A" 550
Mopar 361-383-400 V8 620 (5)
Mopar 413-426W-440 V8 670 (5) (10)
Mopar Street Hemi 765 (690 bare)

Mugen V10 330 (23) 72 degree bank angle, F1
Mugen V10 341 (70) 72 degree bank angle, F1, 1991-1993
Mugen V8 255 (64) 90 deg F3000 (late motor)

Mundy Trident W-12 325 (85) proposed 1965 F1, not built

Napier Nomad flat-12 3580 (87) aircraft, turbo-compound
Napier Lion W-12 930 (87) aircraft, 1918, water cooled
Napier Deltic, 1950 11000 (87) general use, 18 cyl
Napier Deltic, 1966 15000 (87) intercooled, turbo version

Nissan CA20 FWD 269 (4) belt cam
Nissan Z20 NAPS-Z 2.0 346 (4) RWD chain cam
Nissan VRT35 GTP V12 341 (66) 70 deg prototype 660L x 577W x 533H
Nissan Maxim V6 3.0 264 (145) 60 deg, racing SR2

Offenhauser 252 355 (142) early '60s, aluminum/magnesium

Olds 215 V8 318 (same as Buick/Rover)
Olds 215 V8 345 (170) 1962, 2bbl, dry weight
Olds 304 "Rocket" V8 671 (2) first Olds V8, 1949

Olds 304 Rocket V8 680 all accessories, no flywheel
Olds straight-8 614 (2) '40s motor
Olds 330 J2 700 (first generation V8)
Olds 330-400 560 (5) low deck, w/accessories, no flywheel
Olds 394 725 (1) ('59)
Olds 371, 394 760 (5)
Olds 400-455 620 (5) high deck w/accessories, no flywheel
Olds 455 605 (10)
Olds 262 V6 Diesel 590 (4) (from GM SAE paper)
Olds DOHC 4.0 V8 463 (80)(dressed) Olds variant of Cad Northstar

Opel 2.8-3.0 CIH L6 395 (2)
Opel MAXX 973cc 3cyl 182 (132) also used by Vauxhall

Orbital 2.0 L6 220 (82) "dressed" 2 stroke, all aluminum

Otto "Atmospheric" 2600 (56) 1hp, 15 feet tall, model of 1867

Peugeot 204 Diesel 272 (11) SOHC, 45hp
Peugeot Douvrin 2.0 4 263 (2)
Peugeot 104 1400 260 (2) includes transaxle
Peugeot Indenor XD-90 415 (16) Diesel, aluminum head and sump

Pierce-Arrow V-12 1,130 (2) (1932)

Pininfarina 181 (61) Ethos show car, Orbital 3 cyl

Plymouth 361 640 (1) ('59)

Polimotor DOHC 2.0 L4 150 (53) mostly plastic, development motor
Polimotor L4 179 (106) inc. starter, no clutch or flywheel)\

Pontiac L4 350 Iron Duke, Tech IV
Pontiac Tempest slant 4 470
Pontiac SOHC 6 450
Pontiac SOHC 6 550 (100)
Pontiac 389 V8 650
Pontiac 389 V8 590 (1) ('59)
Pontiac 301 V8 452
Pontiac 301 V8 451 complete with air cleaner and starter

Porsche 914/4 265 (109)
Porsche 911/6 280 (109)
Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 574
Porsche 4.7 SOHC V8 582 (57)
Porsche 901 6 401 (2) (1963)

Pratt & Whitney ST6B-62 260 (135) 550hp, '67 STP Turbine Car

Rambler 327 V8 600
Rambler 327 V8 670 (1) ('59)

Rover 3500 V8 318 (same as Buick)
Rover 3.0 SOHC L6 432 (2)
Rover 2000 four 312 (36) 1960s engine

Renault 2.0 4 Douvrin 263 (2)
Renault 2.8 V6 375 (2) (also DeLorean, Peugeot, Volvo)
Renault EF-1 395 (2) (racing version of P-R-V V6)
Renault V10 308 (23) 67 degree bank angle, F1
Renault V10 331 (52) 67 deg
Renault RS3B V10 301 (70) 67 deg
Renault D7F 1.1L 180 (123)
Renault E-series 1.2L 238 (123)

Rolls-Royce 6.5 Wankel 930 (51) tank engine

Rover KV-6 2.5L 335 (117, 123) "fully equipped"

SAAB V4-60 206 (2) (also Taunus, Ford)
SAAB slant-4 290 (2) (also Triumph TR-7)

Studebaker 289 650

Subaru 2.2L 269 (139) aero conversion
Subaru flat-12 F1 331 (52) Formula 1, Moteri Moderni

SuperLight 180 SL 210 (114) Mazda 13B-based, aircraft, alloy housings

Suzuki Cultus 3 cyl 139 (7,38) (Geo Metro, Chevy Sprint)

Toyota 1G-EU 2.6 L6 340 (27) with oil and coolant (SOHC)
Toyota 1G-GEU 2.0 L6 355 (140) with oil and coolant (DOHC)
Toyota 4M Hemi L6 400 (27)
Toyota V6 469 (81) '92 Camry iron V6
Toyota V6 3.0L 401 (81) '94 Camry aluminum V6 1MZ-FE
Toyota RV8A Indy V8 225 (116) '96,as used in Gurney Eagle
Toyota R32V GT1 V8 352 (144) twin turbo DOHC race engine, 1988

Triumph slant-4 290 (2) (also SAAB 99)
Triumph 2000 L6 403 (2) (Spitfire, 2.5 TRs)
Triumph Stag V8 446

VW flat-4 air cooled 200
VW flat-4 air cooled 215 (109)
VW flat-4 Type IV 311 (109)
VW flat 4 Type 1 250 (163) 1600cc dual port, stock flywheel,
clutch, doghouse oilcooler, Monza
muffler, Bosch alternator, twin
Solex/Kadron carbs with manifolds and
linkage, heater boxes, all sheet metal,
without oil

Vauxhall Calibra 245 (75) 24v, 2.5L V6
Vauxhall Swindon 230 (106) race motor, 2.0L

Vertemati 62 (169) SOHC 4 stroke single, 503cc, 56HP

Volvo B20E 340 (104)
Volvo B21F&B23F 365 (104)
Volvo 3.0 L6 DOHC 401 (56) all aluminum

Wright Flyer flat-4 170 (126) original 1903 Kitty Hawk engine 14hp
Wright R3350 Cyclone 3029 (87) aircraft radial

Yamaha OX66 75 deg V6 230 (44) 16.5" long, 21.5" wide
Yamaha OX88 75 deg V8 320 (40,52) Formula 1, 3.5L, 22.0L x 22.4W
Yamaha OX99 70 deg V12 308 (70) F1
Yamaha FJ600 135 (101) MC, without intake or exhaust
Yamaha YZ400F 59 (169) DOHC 4 stk. single, 5 valve, 426cc, 57HP
Yamaha XS650 twin 170 (172) 1981 model, with oil

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Sizes: These figures can be *very* misleading! Shape is usually more
important than maximum dimensions.

ref Length Width Height
Alfa 155 V6 TI (75) 500mm

Allison V12 (160) 44* 30 36 *62 w/acc drives

BRM "290" V12 (74) 650mm
BRM V12 1965? F1 (87) 29

Buick 3.8 V6 (60) 22.0 24.0 24.2

Chevy LT1 (1994) V8 (60) 27.2 24.8 23.0
Chevy Sprint 993cc L4 (55) 24 20 25
Cosworth V8, 1965? (87) 21.5
Cosworth 75 deg V8 (52) 23.4 23.3 20.5
Cosworth HB 75 deg V8 (52,63) 23.4 23.3 20.5
Cosworth HB Series 6 (70) 595mm
Cosworth MBA V6 (67) 26.25 20.5 27.75
Cosworth XB V8 (89) 22.2 21.7 21.9
Cosworth ED 75 deg V8 (103) 23.4 21.3(*) (*) inc Air filter
Cosworth V8, 1967 (136) 21.4 27.0
Cosworth CR-1 V10 (144) 569mm 509mm 375mm

Drake Indy V8 (1978) (138) 25 25 22

ref Length Width Height
Ford-Cosworth DOHC V8 (60) 22.2 21.7 21.9
Ford Mod V6 2.5L 60deg (81) 22 24 24
Ford CDW27 460mm

HS Performance 2.0 V8 (63) 488mm 552mm 478mm
Hart V10 F1, 72 deg V (63) 622mm 560mm 535mm

Honda 3.5L 72 deg V10 (40,52) 24.4 21.7 21.3
Honda 3.0 VTEC V6 (129) 486mm 627mm 647mm "fully dressed"

Honda Civic 1200, 1974 (151) 26.8 18.4 24.6
Honda Civic 1500, 1974 (151) 21.4 20.2 25.5
Honda CVCC 1500, 1974 (151) 21.7 20.4 26.6

Ilmor 2175A 72deg V10 (59) 592.5mm 519mm 555mm
Ilmor DOHC V8/C (60) 22.0 22.0 22.8
Ilmor V-8-C (75) 22.1 22 22.8

Judd GV 72 deg V10 (70) 630mm

Lamborghini F1 80degV12 (70) 719mm
Lycoming 36 cyl radial (87) +10 feet

Mazda 2.5V6 452mm

Mercedes-Ilmor OHV V8 (60) 22.1 20.1 25.7
Mercedes-Ilmor DOHC V8 (89) 22.05 21.85 22.44
Mercedes F0110 75dg V10 (103) 590mm 485mm 472mm
Mercedes IC108C V8 (130) 560mm 550mm 570mm

Mugen V10 72 deg (70) 620mm

Mundy Trident W-12 (85) 20.5

Nissan VRT35 GTP V12 (66) 660mm 577mm 533mm

Renault G-ser. 2.2 12v (107) 515mm 598mm (1996)
Renault V10 (52) 26.3 21.7 17.3
Renault RS3B V10 (70) 620mm

Subaru flat-12 F1 (52) 29.3 28.5 15.7

Suzuki H20A V6 (92) 650mm 620mm 815mm 60deg V6, 2L

Yamaha OX66 75 deg V6 (44) 16.5 21.5
Yamaha OX88 75 deg V8 (40,52) 22.0 22.4
Yamaha OX99 70 deg V12 (70) 725mm


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Transmissions

maker weight gears type source comment

Alfa Romeo 195 manual (166) '76 Alfetta GT transaxle

Borg Warner 101 4 speed manual Ford Super T-10 iron/aluminum
Borg Warner 92 4 speed manual Chevy Super T-10 iron/aluminum
Borg Warner 130 4 speed manual (158) 1927 model T-4, for 1927 Paige 8 (dry)
rated to 175 ft-lb
Borg Warner 78 5 speed manual (85) T-5, Ford pattern

Ford 48 4 speed manual (85) '71 Capri/Pinto 1600 light duty
(iron case, aluminum tailshaft housing)
iron bhsg 23#
Ford C6 ~202 3 speed auto (152) Big block C-6, 165 lbs, Transmission
weight, drained, without torque
converter 37 lb, Torque converter
weight, mostly drained
Ford C6 ~171 3 speed auto (154) no fluid

Ford C4 ~185 3 speed auto (152) Small block C-6, 150 lbs, Transmission
weight, drained, without torque
converter 35 lb, Torque converter
weight, mostly drained
Ford AOD 184 4 speed auto (154) (without fluid)
Ford AOD 195 4 speed auto (159) including torque convertor

Ford FMX ~195 3 speed auto (154) cast iron case
Ford FMX 195 3 speed auto (159) iron case
Ford 228 3 speed auto (154) Ford-O-Matic (pre-FMX), cast iron
case (early '60s)

Jerico 72 4 speed manual (145) mag. case with integral coolant pump
Jerico 68 4 speed manual (145) mag. case w/o integral coolant pump
Jerico 52 2 speed manual (149)

Mitsubishi 110 5 speed manual (146) '91 VR4 transaxle, less transfer

Porsche 89 5 speed manual (147) 901 transaxle
Porsche 109 5 speed manual (147) 915 transaxle

Saginaw 149 4 speed manual (147) Corvair IRS transaxle
Saginaw 82 4 speed manual (85)

VW 71 4 speed manual (147) Beetle IRS transaxle
VW 79 4 speed manual (147) Bus IRS transaxle

ZF 135 5 speed manual (147) Pantera transaxle

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Sources:

unattributed data: from my paper notes of yesteryear
otherwise:

(1) Handbook of Engine Swapping, John Thawley, 1960
(2) Complete Handbook of Automotive Power Trains, Jan Norbye, 1981
(3) Passenger Car Engines, papers, IMechE, 1975
(4) New Light Duty Engines, SAE 510, 1982
(5) Hot Rod Engines, Hot Rod, 1967
(6) Aspects of Internal Combustion Engine Design, SAE 582, 1982
(7) Popular Science, May 1984
(8) Automotive Industries, June 1993
(9) Cycle Magazine, Cook Neilson, "TDC" Feb 1990
(10) Street Rodder, Neal Muyleart, "Aluminum Manifold", Aug 1993
(11) Popular Science, March 1974
(12) Popular Science, September 1982
(13) Popular Science, May 1972
(14) Popular Science, April 1974
(15) Popular Science, December 1977
(16) Popular Science, November 1973
(17) Automotive Industries, July 1992
(18) Ford SVO V-6 Racing Engine Builder's Guide, 1992
(19) "Streamlining and Car Aerodynamics", Norbye, 1977
(20) "The New Mazda RX7 and Mazda Rotary Engine Sports Cars",
Jack Yamaguchi, 1985
(21) Popular Science, April 1979
(22) Autotech, April 1988
(23) Racecar Engineering, V2 N6 1993
(24) Sports Car International, October 1992
(25) Road & Track, February 1994
(26) Collectible Automobile, January 1986
(27) Road & Track, December 1970
(28) Road & Track, August 1980
(29) Road & Track, February 1992
(30) Car and Driver, March 1992
(31) Superauto Illustrated, October 1986
(32) Sports Car International, January 1993
(33) Sports Car International, June 1992
(34) Automobile, November 1991
(35) Motor Trend, September 1993
(36) Road & Track, April 1980
(37) Road & Track, August 1993
(38) Car and Driver, January 1984
(39) Popular Mechanics, June 1981
(40) Road & Track, January 1989
(41) Road & Track, December 1993
(42) Motor Trend, August 1990
(43) Sports Car International, July 1990
(44) Road & Track, May 1985
(45) Automotive Industries, May 1994
(46) Machine Design, May 23 1994
(47) Automotive Industries, April 1994
(48) Hot Rod Ford High Performance 1985
(49) Road & Track, May 1989
(50) Road & Track October 1979
(51) Motor Trend, September 1972
(52) Road & Track, June 1989
(53) Road & Track, September 1984
(54) Motor Trend, June 1985
(55) Motor Trend, August 1984
(56) Motor Trend, August 1987
(57) Road & Track, July 1987
(58) Car Craft, July 1994
(59) Racecar Engineering, Summer 1991
(60) Circle Track, August 1994
(61) Car Design & Technology, July 1992
(62) The World's Fastest Cars, Publications International Ltd 1989
(63) Racecar Engineering, Vol 2 Number 5
(64) Racecar Engineering, Vol 3 Number 1
(65) Car Design & Technology, November 1992
(66) Racecar Engineering Vol 2 Number 2
(67) Car Design & Technology, March 1992
(68) Car Design & Technology, June/July 1991
(69) Car Design & Technology, September 1992
(70) Car Design & Technology, June 1992
(71) Car Design & Technology, May 1992
(72) Motor Trend, September 1993
(73) Car Design & Technology, October 1992
(74) Racecar Engineering, Vol 2 Number 3
(75) Racecar Engineering, Vol 3 Number 3
(76) Racecar Engineering, Vol 2 Number 4
(77) Automotive Industries, November 1992
(78) Sports Car, March 1994
(79) Automotive Industries, July 1992
(80) Automotive Industries, December 1992
(81) Automotive Industries, October 1993
(82) Automotive Industries, February 1994
(83) Super Cars, December 1978
(84) Racer, September 1994
(85) dave.williams@chaos.lrk.ar.us, on scales
(86) Automobile Design: Great Designers and Their Work (1970)
(87) Some Unusual Engines, LJK Setright, 1975
(88) Corvette Quarterly, Spring 1995
(89) Machine Design, May 11 1995
(90) Automotive Engineering, July 1995
(91) Machine Design, June 15, 1995
(92) Automotive Engineering, April 1995
(93) Car Craft, October 1990 (via thaxton@kscdm6.cad.ksc.nasa.gov)
(94) Design News, October 5 1992 (via thaxton@kscdm6.cad.ksc.nasa.gov)
(95) Haynes International Race Engine directory, via: Eric Verschuur

(96) The Wankel Engine by Jan P. Norbye (Chilton, '73, ISBN 0-8019-5591-2)
via: Eric Verschuur
(97) Automotive Quarterly, vol 22, no 1 via: Jim Davies
(98) Jim Davies
(99) 1955 Chrysler Service Manual - Imperial, Windsor, New Yorker, 300
(100) dale@wyvern.wyvern.com (Dale Maurice)
(101) David Alan Clemens
(102) LLOYD ROBERT C
(103) Dan Jones
(104) Haynes manuals, via: jcatford@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Jean-Guy Catford)
(105) jcatford@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Jean-Guy Catford)
(106) Cars & Car Conversions, February '95, via: amm@tremas.dct.ac.uk
(Angus Marshall)
(107) Automotive Engineering, November 1995
(108) Automotive Industries, January 1995
(109) Kit Car, March 1995
(110) Automotive Industries, February 1995
(111) Exotic Cars Quarterly, Summer 1991
(112) Hot Rod Engines 1992
(113) Kitplanes, April 1994
(114) Kitplanes, September 1995
(115) Hot Rod, April 1996
(116) Machine Design, May 9, 1996
(117) Automotive Industries, March 1996
(118) Automotive Industries, June 1996
(119) SAE 890877, "Honda Formula One Turbo-Charged V6 1.5L Engine"
(120) SAE 640252, "The Ford D.O.H.C. Competition Engine"
(121) SAE 660742, "The Coventry Climax Racing Engine 1960-1965"
(122) Popular Hot Rodding, October 1988
(123) Automotive Engineering, May 1996
(124) Peterson's Complete Book of Ford, 3rd Edition, 1973
(125) Surplus Center, 1997 catalog
(126) Kent's Mechanical Engineer's Handbook, 12th Ed. 1950
note: many utility Diesel and aircraft engines listed in this book
(127) Automotive Industries, March 1997
(128) Automotive Industries, October 1996
(129) Automotive Industries, September 1996
(130) Automotive Engineering, December 1996
(131) Automotive Engineering, January 1996
(132) Automotive Engineering, June 1997
(133) Automotive Industries, October 1996
(134) Fast Car, August 1996
(135) Motor Trend, August 1967
(136) Road & Track, July 1967
(137) Road & Track, August 1967
(138) Hot Rod, May 1978
(139) Vari-Prop ad, Sport Aviation February 1995
(140) Automotive Engineering, December 1982
(141) Machine Design, April 3 1997
(142) Design And Development Of The Indy Car, Roger Huntingdon
(143) Ward's Auto Reports Online September 1999
(144) RaceTech Magazine web site January 2000
(145) Jerico 1994 catalog
(146) Jay Klahr, February 1997
(147) Kit Car March 1995
(148) "Jaguar: Performance and Pride" by Pete Lyons and the Auto Editors of
Consumer Guide, published 1991, via "VanOeveren, Ron" March 1996
(149) Jerico ad, Circle Track August 1996
(150) Jack Chesley 14 March 1996
(151) Road & Track April 1974 via Craig Blome
September 1996

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● I have a dream: My car has a new type of engine: a half-turbine half-reciprocated engine. I invented it! ~ Dr. Felix Wankel
● It has occurred to me, amateurs built the ark and professionals built the titanic.

Is that the weight of the Honda or the Mazda? And i assume it's a 1.8l Mazda?

I have a 1.6l Mazda B6, if anyone has the specs on that, it would be nice. But i can probably get a good ballpark on the figure quoted above.

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Yesterday I picked up a Zetec for only $260 and they even hoisted it into my truck bed for me. It had an assortment of aluminum brackets still attached along with the stock exhaust header, intake tract with the throttle body, coil pack, automatic flywheel and water pump. It didn't have any accessories, though. Daniel (nocones) and I set it on a couple of bathroom scales and it weighed 255 lbs. It probably still has oil in it and maybe some coolant.