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PostPosted: November 6, 2023, 9:41 am 
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Hi everyone!

I´m building a Miata based Locost and am in the beginning of building the rear suspension ..

I´m wondering if the Miata rear uprights can swap sides, without any negative consequences?

Since the top A-arm mount is shifted to the front it would be beneficical to packaging if I could move the offset to the rear instead ...
The space could then be used for the shocks ..

Any input is highly valued!

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PostPosted: November 6, 2023, 10:18 am 
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I did that with Midlana for two reasons. It shifts the upper pick-up point, done for the same reason as you. It also points the E-brake cables toward the rear so they have a bigger bend radius to head forward. No problem.

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PostPosted: November 6, 2023, 11:02 am 
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I think I would be concerned with brake torque jacking on the rear suspension?


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It's been done many times. There is no change to jacking or anti-squat since the irs virtual swing arm (VSA) doesn't change. It would be a factor if it were ball joints top and bottom to where the axle made an arc with suspension travel in the side view.

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Recommend for all of the above reasons. Caught me at a perfect time as the rear fenders are off for winter repairs.
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PostPosted: November 7, 2023, 3:43 am 
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That was easier than I imagined! :)

Perhaps my google-fu is going bad, I couldn't find any info on the topic, strange when ther's cars driving around built that way.. :oops:

Thanks everyone!


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jaf wrote:
Recommend for all of the above reasons. Caught me at a perfect time as the rear fenders are off for winter repairs.
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Your build was a real inspiration when I started my own, so thanks for that! Strange that I never noticed you flipped sides on the uprights.... :oops:

I see that you've put some miles down, have you had any problems with the rear diff mounting? I've gotten the impression that mixing hard and soft mounts can be a bad thing, and solid mounting the front while keeping the stock Miata upper bushings should really test that theory to the extreme.. :D


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Westfields come that way (time warp to 2007 posts).

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I am another that swapped uprights in the rear. No issues yet.

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Fizz wrote:
Your build was a real inspiration when I started my own, so thanks for that! Strange that I never noticed you flipped sides on the uprights.... :oops:

I see that you've put some miles down, have you had any problems with the rear diff mounting? I've gotten the impression that mixing hard and soft mounts can be a bad thing, and solid mounting the front while keeping the stock Miata upper bushings should really test that theory to the extreme.. :D


Thanks for the compliment. Got lots of pics and happy to share.

For the diff I've had zero issues with the mounting design from a structural standpoint. It's been rock solid. The things that I have corrected since the original build is making enough room to mount a 1.8 Torsen diff, ensuring the mounting angle of the diff is 100% parallel with the transmission output, and providing a little more clearance for installation/removal.

I'll see if can update one of my posts to tell the story. Lots of lessons learned to share on that one.

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Fizz wrote:
Your build was a real inspiration when I started my own, so thanks for that! Strange that I never noticed you flipped sides on the uprights.... :oops:

I see that you've put some miles down, have you had any problems with the rear diff mounting? I've gotten the impression that mixing hard and soft mounts can be a bad thing, and solid mounting the front while keeping the stock Miata upper bushings should really test that theory to the extreme.. :D


Thanks for the compliment. Got lots of pics and happy to share.

For the diff I've had zero issues with the mounting design from a structural standpoint. It's been rock solid. The things that I have corrected since the original build is making enough room to mount a 1.8 Torsen diff, ensuring the mounting angle of the diff is 100% parallel with the transmission output, and providing a little more clearance for installation/removal.

I'll see if can update one of my posts to tell the story. Lots of lessons learned to share on that one.

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jaf wrote:
Thanks for the compliment. Got lots of pics and happy to share.

For the diff I've had zero issues with the mounting design from a structural standpoint. It's been rock solid. The things that I have corrected since the original build is making enough room to mount a 1.8 Torsen diff, ensuring the mounting angle of the diff is 100% parallel with the transmission output, and providing a little more clearance for installation/removal.

I'll see if can update one of my posts to tell the story. Lots of lessons learned to share on that one.


I´m going 2002 1,8 Torsen (but started with a 1.6, which can be seen in the pics above, not much clearance to the front), and Bofi Racing poly bushings for the top .. I´ll probably go solid mount in the front, the worst that can happen is a cracked third member, which sounds unlikely .. If you haven´t had any problems with the weak 1,6 diff I guess a welded 1,8 should remain intact ... :)

Would love to see an update of your build thread!
One thing that has bothered my some over the years is the chart of miata uprights measurements and a-arm attachement points you posted in a excel screen shot a while back .. I tried to convert to metric (because living in Europe) and plot them in sketchup, but I couldnt get them to really match up .. I think there is something off with the rear part of the chart ..


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Fizz wrote:
jaf wrote:
Thanks for the compliment. Got lots of pics and happy to share.

For the diff I've had zero issues with the mounting design from a structural standpoint. It's been rock solid. The things that I have corrected since the original build is making enough room to mount a 1.8 Torsen diff, ensuring the mounting angle of the diff is 100% parallel with the transmission output, and providing a little more clearance for installation/removal.

I'll see if can update one of my posts to tell the story. Lots of lessons learned to share on that one.


I´m going 2002 1,8 Torsen (but started with a 1.6, which can be seen in the pics above, not much clearance to the front), and Bofi Racing poly bushings for the top .. I´ll probably go solid mount in the front, the worst that can happen is a cracked third member, which sounds unlikely .. If you haven´t had any problems with the weak 1,6 diff I guess a welded 1,8 should remain intact ... :)

Would love to see an update of your build thread!
One thing that has bothered my some over the years is the chart of miata uprights measurements and a-arm attachement points you posted in a excel screen shot a while back .. I tried to convert to metric (because living in Europe) and plot them in sketchup, but I couldnt get them to really match up .. I think there is something off with the rear part of the chart ..


Hi. I have a similar problem. How did you convert? and how many numbers after dot did you use? did you try online converters like https://oneconvert.com/?


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