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 Post subject: Chevette Uprights
PostPosted: April 11, 2019, 3:41 pm 
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After all was said and done did anybody ever find a tie rod end and screw in/press in ball joints that fit the Chevette uprights?
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 Post subject: Re: Chevette Uprights
PostPosted: April 12, 2019, 8:44 am 
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I can look for part numbers when I get home. The factory lower ball joints are press in and uppers are bolt in. There is a bolt in upper ballpoint from a midsize Chevrolet that you can use as a lower ball joint. You can buy Howe racing ball joints that allow you to mix and match pins and ball joint bodies. They are expensive but that is what I am running for lower ball joints. For the upper ball joint I am using a beetle tie rod end. This also fits the spindle for the actual tie rod end. I wish I could find a larger tie rod for the upper ball joint but I couldn't find anything


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 Post subject: Re: Chevette Uprights
PostPosted: April 12, 2019, 9:01 am 
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VW tie rod end? Ha! probably have one or two floating around in my garage. Basically I would like to built adjustable upper a-arns similar to kinetic Vehicles design.
The stock ball in upper ball joint poses some design problems but not the end of the world. The only issue I have with the bottom is that I can't find a ball joint sleeve/pocket that fits. Come to push an shove I will machine a pair to fit.
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PostPosted: April 12, 2019, 12:43 pm 
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Hi WelderLee
I have done some research. It appears that the vw tie rod end that you are using are what some refer as early VW (link pin) front end. I notice that they have a M10 thread which is the same as the Chevette upper ball joint. The later Vw (ball join) uses a M12. Easy to check as the M10 uses a 17mm nut and the larger ones use a 19mm nut. You mentioned that you'd like a larger one. Well not exactly what you are saying BUT it may resolve this. Check this out: https://www.pacificcustoms.com/ac425095.html.
Can't promise this but in early June I maybe able to prop in Pacific Customs and take with me a Chevette upright and see if the pin/adapter actually fits properly.
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PostPosted: April 12, 2019, 3:02 pm 
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tonico222 wrote:
Hi WelderLee
I have done some research. It appears that the vw tie rod end that you are using are what some refer as early VW (link pin) front end. I notice that they have a M10 thread which is the same as the Chevette upper ball joint. The later Vw (ball join) uses a M12. Easy to check as the M10 uses a 17mm nut and the larger ones use a 19mm nut. You mentioned that you'd like a larger one. Well not exactly what you are saying BUT it may resolve this. Check this out: https://www.pacificcustoms.com/ac425095.html.
Can't promise this but in early June I maybe able to prop in Pacific Customs and take with me a Chevette upright and see if the pin/adapter actually fits properly.
Tony


Looks like I used part number ES419R, Which I think fits 1969 and newer VW beetles not sure if that is the link pin or ball joint front end.

I like that heim joint adapter. I had not seen one that fit VWs before. What I was referring to was the diameter of the threaded area where it goes into the control arm. Seems like allot of the tire rods I see people using for upper ball joints have much larger diameters, but I know that people have successfully used the VW tie rod ends in this application. so it probably does not matter.

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 Post subject: Re: Chevette Uprights
PostPosted: April 12, 2019, 5:40 pm 
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Yeap, the ES419would be for a ball join front end. Keep in mind that the adapter is meant to be used with an earlier model which has a smaller diam taper.
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PostPosted: April 12, 2019, 5:46 pm 
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BTW how did you install the bottom ball joint on the A-arm, did you find a sleeve?
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PostPosted: April 15, 2019, 11:37 am 
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tonico222 wrote:
BTW how did you install the bottom ball joint on the A-arm, did you find a sleeve?
Tony


I did not use the press in ball joint. I used the Howe Racing version of a K5108 upper ball joint. If I were to do it again, I would turn an appropriate sleeve and use the factory joint. When I made the control arms I didn't know how to bore on a lathe, but now it would be a piece of cake. As an alternative if you want thread in ball joints you could pick a threaded body from Howe, such as a K772 body and use the pin that fits a K5108. Sleeves for the K772 ball joint are readily available.


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PostPosted: April 17, 2019, 8:42 am 
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Have you driven your car yet? Just wondering how the VW tie rods are working out?


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PostPosted: April 19, 2019, 12:12 pm 
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I used Moog ES422R for the upper ball joint on Chevette spindles. I cannot recall what vehicle it was for, but I bet it's a VW. This was 13 years ago. I've driven maybe 20,000km on the car? No issues whatsoever.

I machined my own ball joint ring for press-fit Chevette lower ball joints.

It -looks- like I used Moog ES2261 tie rods on the rack to make it fit my track width with a Chevette steering rack. I don't even recall what they look like, or how I mounted them, or what adapters I needed (if any), or even if I'm still using them..... but they got me through the inspections.

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PostPosted: April 19, 2019, 12:15 pm 
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Location: Sunny-Okanagan, Canada, eh?!
(Datsun B210 hubs and bearings fit right on the Chevette spindles and use the same nut and washer, if you need 4x114.3" on the front)

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PostPosted: April 20, 2019, 7:00 am 
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Thanks for the info, I appreciated.
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