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PostPosted: June 28, 2021, 11:40 am 
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Picked up a HF engine stand over the weekend & got it assembled yesterday.

Will need a hand in lifting the 220lb Dorito spinner, once I get the plate attached. Then I can start tearing it down to see how it looks inside & if it's rebuildable.

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Got the clutch pulled off the 13B last night. Now to source a 54mm socket for the flywheel nut.
Local Northern Tool looks to have one in stock & the 3/4 to 1/2 drive adapter so I don't need a new breaker bar.

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PostPosted: June 29, 2021, 10:16 am 
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Got the clutch pulled off the 13B last night. Now to source a 54mm socket for the flywheel nut.
Local Northern Tool looks to have one in stock & the 3/4 to 1/2 drive adapter so I don't need a new breaker bar.


Might need to liberate the jack handle for leverage on a nut that big


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PostPosted: June 29, 2021, 10:23 am 
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Good likelihood of that. I think the torque spec is something like 350 ft/lb.

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Oh, you are in for a lot of "fun". From the rebuild of my 13B:

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The biggest chore undertaken, was to attack the engine. This was one of the reasons I chose to go rotary power. I knew the engine needed repair and wanted to use this build to learn about rotary engines. Last weekend, I had 2 buddies over and we tore the engine down. The front eccentric nut was a BIT** to remove. It was originally torqued to only 80-98 ft lbs. Maybe some Loctite was used too. First we tried the impact wrench----nothing. Then we tried a breaker bar --- nothing. Then we tried a 4’ extension on my breaker bar --- I broke two Harbor Freight Impact sockets in the process. I had to resort to buying a new, short impact socket from Sears. It had a thicker wall and didn’t angle off the bolt head as pressure was applied to the bar. That socket, about 5 minutes of Mapp torch and the nut finally succumbed to our perseverance. The rear eccentric nut needed some extra effort. We bought a 2-1/8” socket (3/4” drive) to fit the 54mm metric nut (matched the 54mm within 1 thou). We added heat from the Mapp just in case. We applied the socket, a ½- ¾ adapter, my ½” breaker bar and the 4’ extension and placed a wool blanket over the whole thing in case there was flying pieces. On a personal note, we just about busted a nut. Not the one we wanted to remove from the engine. In the process, the breaker bar’s swivel-end broke in two. There goes a nice breaker bar! The remaining square end embedded itself into the ½-3/4 adapter. So I broke out the MIG and welded the adapter directly to the end of the breaker bar and tried again. We increasingly applied some pressure (about 200-250 lbs) at the end of the extension and rapped the back of the breaker bar with a 2 lb sledge. This time the correct nut finally let loose. It was originally torqued from 289-362 ft lbs!


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the engine was on the HF engine stand using an Atkins adapter plate. My big problem was with the front eccentric nut. The small one! We broke 2 impact sockets in the process. We drilled a 1"x1/8" steel bar to fit across two pressure plate bolts on the flywheel. Inserted a extension tube, and braced it against the engine stand frame. That, a MAPP torch for about 5 minutes on the bolt and a seriously long breaker bar. The front nut is sealed with Loctite and silicone sealant. The heat brakes it down. Of course we covered it all with an old Army blanket to act as a shrapnel blanket if it came to that. Fortunately, it finally succomed. Don't try this with anything but a short 6-point heavy duty impact socket.

Once that was done we attacked the rear nut in a similar process. We only broke 1 breaker bar during that process. The 3/4" drive Sears chrome socket worked well here.


I still have the welded breaker bar in my tool chest as a reminder. :cheers:


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Here's hoping for a less exciting endeavor. Though, looking at the state of the clutch & flywheel, maybe some penetrating oil would be beneficial.

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Well, Chuck, as warned. Just snapped the bit off my breaker bar :BH:

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Sorry to hear that. At least it wasn't a surprise, you were warned. :no:

Time to get out the welder. :cheers:

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Sorry to hear that. At least it wasn't a surprise, you were warned. :no:

Time to get out the welder. :cheers:

Husky lifetime warranty FTW. New tool already in the garage.

Going to source a 3/4 drive breaker & hope the extra 1/4 will take the torque.

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Ah, fond memories of taking the rear nut off... :cheers:

It's a right of passage, in my case hanging like a monkey off a 1" breaker bar, nearly tipping over the stand.

When you put it back on, after torqueing down, use some nail polish/paint pen to mark it. Peace of mind that it won't undo itself.

I recommend going with an automatic trans rear counterweight and an aftermarket flywheel, if you have the funds.


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Waiting on a 3/4" drive breaker bar. ETA is 7/14.
Hoping the extra 1/4" can take the torque/twist without a similar failure.

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I've always used an impact wrench (a good one) for the nut removal. You'll still need the breaker bar for the installation torque though.


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I've always used an impact wrench (a good one) for the nut removal. You'll still need the breaker bar for the installation torque though.


same here... I started racing in RX3's a lonnnnng time ago and built a lot of rotaries... always used an impact gun to get that nut off.

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Thanks for the suggestions.
I've got a 3/4" breaker on the way, and am waiting on an engine stand adapter to get the 13B mounted more centrally.

Breaker should be here in a couple days (ETA 7/14) & the stand adapter my dad is welding up for me, so maybe this weekend.

Still need to coordinate a weekend for him to come down & bring his MIG so we can get the frame welded up. And need to source a couple missing bits of steel for the RR suspension & a bit of the rear frame area.

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